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Chapter 4. Joy-Divine - Scientific Proof of Oneness
I am again speaking to Joy-Divine. We were discussing ONENESS and, it seems we first needed to talk about the Veil of Unknowing in our last session.
Zingdad: J-D, can we pick it up in this session with the question: “Is there proof of Oneness”?
Joy-Divine: Hello my dear Zingdad. Thank you. It is a good question. The point of the “Veil of Unknowing” discussion was really to say that, no, we will not be able to prove that All is One. Not in the sense that we will be able to make a statement that cannot be argued or refuted. But we will be able to make some very powerful arguments which will either resonate with the reader or they will not. Some will call these arguments “proof” in that it provides them with solid reason for what they already know to be true, others may decide to pick holes in my arguments and refute them and say they are NOT proof. Both of these will be valid positions and neither will exclude the other. Each reader will decide for themselves where their truth lies.
Z: Just a moment please. I’m not sure if I am happy with all this “your truth” and “my truth” and “all truths are valid” stuff. Doesn’t the word TRUTH imply that it is TRUE. I mean true for everyone?
J-D: It might imply that to you. If it does you are going to get very stuck very fast and you are going to find yourself in non-stop conflict with yourself, your life and others that you engage with.
I see you are struggling with this. We have already touched on this but I will dress it again.
Insisting that there is only one truth and it must be valid for all perspectives is an insistence that you and everyone everywhere must all have the same perspective. Which clearly will not happen. And worse than that, insisting that there is only one truth means that there is no room for growth and change. You are in effect insisting that everyone and everything in the whole universe must all have exactly the same experience of life as you and must then all cease all development and growth. And when this doesn’t happen it probably makes you angry and you want to fight with it until it does conform to your expectations. Whew! Are you ever going to make pain for yourself like that! Instead, I suggest, if you come to understand your truth to be that which is true for you and for now then you will find this to be a far healthier position. It will allow you to be flexible when dealing with someone else that holds a different perspective from you. And it will allow you to be flexible with yourself as you grow and you discover that what you have held to be true no longer serves you. In this way you will enable growth with a minimum of pain. It will bring you greater peace and harmony if you accept this. But, as I have suggested before, you should create another topic of conversation and title it “What is Truth?” and for that topic you introduce to your readers our beloved associate, the being called 8. This conversation will unfold into bringing great clarification about many areas of the life you are now living. But until then, for the sake of continuing this discussion, please accept that it is MY truth that each and every person has a different perspective… each holds a different set of things to be true.
Z: Okay. I’ll go with that for now. And you are saying no-ones truth is better than any one else’s?
J-D: “Better”? That is a rather pointless value judgement. What I am saying is that anyone’s truth is as valid as any other’s if it serves them on the path they are travelling. What you need to consider is that your truth is the scaffolding upon which you build your reality. Some people’s truth sets cause them much pain. Some other people’s truth sets bring them a great sense of joy and a love for life. The reason I am here now having these conversations with you is this: I wish to impart a new truth set to you. It is a truth set which may be of great value to anyone that desires to ascend their consciousness, anyone that wishes to find self-love, love for All and inner-peace. I am here now in these conversations with you to offer my truth set as that which leads to unity consciousness, to wholeness, to love, to peace and ultimately to the greatest possible JOY. I offer my truth as a gift to any who might read this. The deal is: you can take the gift or leave it as it suits you. You can even take the bits you like and leave the rest. Or you can take it, try it on for a while, see if you like it and discard it if you don’t. Whatever you want to do with this gift of my truth is up to you and is fine by me. I contend, from my own vast, multi-dimensional experience, that the view I offer will promote an ascension path.
Yes, you can find your way to ascension via other paths. But what I offer IS the path of JOY. It is most certainly a happy path. There are many other paths. If you do not resonate with the words offered here by me, Joy-Divine, then that implies no criticism of you. Each must trust their own inner truth. But if this DOES resonate for you then with love I gladly offer my truth for your use. I think you will find that it offers you the “truth scaffolding” upon which you can build a reality which is joyous indeed. You will come to discover in yourself a magnificent, beautiful, wondrous Self that is in a state of oneness and bliss with All That Is. A powerful creator being that is totally in harmony with the IS-ness… with God.
I offer it as a small part of my service to this reality and all that dwell here. But only you can decide if you want it or if it is useful to you. And I say this again: there is nothing wrong with you if this doesn’t work for you. If you earnestly seek your path you will find it. If this isn’t it then you should waste no more time here.
I make this point again and I belabour it somewhat as it is vital to me that you and your readers understand what is being expressed here.
Z: That’s great, thanks, J-D. But… um… not everyone on earth is engaged with their ascension path, or am I wrong?
J-D: No, you are quite right. But someone that isn’t, is anyway not going to have read these words. They will long before now have dismissed this as a bunch of flaky new-age nonsense. Can you hear them: “So… there’s this dude, right? Zingdad? Ha! What a name! And he has a voice in his head that he says is “Joy-Divine”? Waa-haa what a load of %#$%!” . What I am saying is that anyone that has read this far is searching pretty hard or is finding strong resonance here. They are not reading this by mistake. They are here to look at this offering and to make a decision: “Does this work for me, or not”. People that are not in an ascension incarnation will just not have the stomach for all this “flakiness”.
Z: Okay, thanks for that explanation. But before we pre-amble this to death maybe we can get into the topic itself?
J-D: Exactly right. Let’s do that. I said I was going to sort-of prove that God is One with All That Is, right?
Z: Right.
J-D: Well to make an argument it is often easiest to have a position to debate against. If I want to make the statement “God is One with All That Is” then probably the most radically opposed position would be that of the atheist. As atheists deny the very existence of God, they therefore would not accept anything one might say about God. Right?
Z: Right. It can be quite hard to argue with an atheist.
J-D: That’s right because, usually, atheists pride themselves on being very logical and rational. They don’t go in for airy-fairy nonsense that can’t be proven empirically. They claim the universe can be explained without the need for a God and since there is no direct evidence for God, what the heck is everyone doing with all this religion nonsense? And their position, due to the Veil, is of course quite a reasonable one. If you insist that there is nothing beyond that which can be directly perceived by the senses then it certainly can seem like “beliefs” are just superstitions nonsense.
Z: So you can’t prove the Oneness of All to them, right?
J-D: Hold on. Not so fast. I have a lot of love and respect for rational people of the mind. The scientific method is a wonderful thing and has deepened the human experience immeasurably. I wouldn’t want us to start a whole new level of the game only to desert all our atheist friends here in this level. So there is a little surprise in store for them. You see the Veil is, and has for a while now, being thinning.
Z: What does that mean – the Veil is thinning?
J-D: It means that it gradually becomes easier and easier to penetrate the mystery. It is slowly becoming more possible to discover that there IS a God and that everyone and everything everywhere is in fact an indivisible part of God.
Z: WHOA THERE! So what was all the stuff about the value of the Veil and how important it is? If it’s such a hot idea why is it going away?
J-D: Good! Here’s the answer: No matter how much you like a game and no matter how important a science experiment is, the process always comes to an end. At some point those engaged with it will say “we have got what we wanted from this, let’s do something else”, right? Well that is a very, very rough paraphrase of the greater situation here. This game (or experiment) that is your reality is about to come to an end. But the high-order spirit beings that are involved with its creation and planning are very loving beings. They love you and, in fact they know that they ARE you. So, while it is ordained that the game must very shortly end, they desire to give you every opportunity to leave the game in the most joyful way possible. So they are encouraging everyone in the system to begin to wake up. So, as fantastically valuable a construct as the Veil is, it is also so that it is necessary for it to being to slowly become more transparent now. Over time it will just get thinner and thinner until you can see through it.
Z: Hmm. I had noticed that it is getting progressively easier and easer for me to advance my own spiritual process. My own ascension. Does this mean that everyone is experiencing this?
J-D: No. Not everyone approaches things as you do. All perspectives are valid, remember. And so, there is of course nothing essentially WRONG with being an atheist. It is a perfectly reasonable, logical response to this reality. And an atheist, by definition, does not perceive himself to be engaged in some spiritual path or another. But the atheist will not be punished for taking a completely reasonable stand. Everyone MUST have the option to be able to choose to see the Oneness and so ascend to a higher level of reality. So, how do we offer this possibility to the atheist? Well, certainly, to those that base their atheism on the scientific method and empiricism, we have an answer. And what I was getting to was that this answer now becomes available as a result of the thinning of the Veil. You see there are no co-incidences. With the thinning of the Veil the awareness of the Oneness MUST now begin to penetrate into all those previously inexplicable and non-understandable areas. It means that those that ARE searching to understand the nature of matter, gravity and light (to name but three) will begin to find God and Oneness there.
Z: Really? How?
J-D: Well the first glimmerings have been there for a little while now. Physicists engaged in Quantum Mechanics are endeavouring to understand your reality by understanding the nature of matter and energy. I heartily recommend that you find a good book on Quantum Mechanics. Find something that will explain all this in lay-mans terms. Or research it on this wonderful tool called the internet. You will find yourself stunned at the discoveries and their implications. I will give you one example: These physicists, in trying to explain why minute sub-atomic particles behave as they do, have come up with a theory which suggests that no quantum reaction can occur without there being a consciousness to observe it. In other words consciousness precedes all matter. If you take the view that the first quantum reaction in your universe occurred at the very beginning of the “Big Bang” then essentially they are saying there must have been “someone” there before the Big Bang to observe that first reaction. If that isn’t God then it must be something very like it, right?
Z: Interesting!
J-D: Very. And here is another one I want to tell you about. It is something called the zero-point energy field. This was proposed by Einstein and is now pretty generally accepted in scientific circles. Essentially this is a description of the “base state” of your universe. There is a field which is everywhere all the time. It is a field of infinite energy. But you can’t normally detect it because, well, it is everywhere all the time. You can therefore only detect this field by becoming aware of the variations in it.
Z: I don’t understand?
J-D: Okay how’s this analogy. If you are surrounded by dead-still air and you stand dead still. Are you aware of the air?
Z: I guess not.
J-D: But if there is a breeze or if the air changes temperature then you begin to sense it. You see? It is very hard indeed for you to detect something which has no variation. Because there is nothing to actually measure. Another example is if you were to sit blindfolded in a luxury motor car which moved quietly at constant speed. You would not be able to detect the motion of the vehicle until it accelerated, slowed down or changed direction. Things that are constant cannot easily be perceived.
Z: Okay. I get that. Thanks.
J-D: So the zero-point energy field is a field of infinite energy that is everywhere all the time. It is there in equal quantity where there is the densest matter and in the near-vacuum of deepest space.
Z: And it is infinite energy?
J-D: Yes.
Z: So then can’t we use this to power our cars and homes. Like instead of fossil fuels or whatever.
J-D: Oh dear. That is a whole kettle of very contentious fish and I don’t really want to spend a whole lot of time on it now. I am actually just wanting you to understand the concept so that I can make my point. Ask again some other time if you like. For now I will say you will not be able to do so until you truly understand the nature of this field… until you truly understand that All is One and All is consciousness. Okay?
Z: Okay. So then you were saying there is this infinite energy field and it is everywhere all the time…
J-D: Right. Remember in our previous chat we discovered that all matter is actually just energy?
Z: I do.
J-D: Well what I want to say is that it will come to be proven that that energy, from which all matter is made, is sourced from the infinite energy of the zero-point energy field. It is fluctuations (like waves or ripples) in this field that form the most basic building blocks of matter: sub-atomic particles.
Z: Hey, that’s interesting. Sound also comes in waves. So maybe matter is the music of the universe!
J-D: Hold onto that thought! You will still come to see how profound that statement actually is! But for now, let’s stay on target. The problem with waves is that they are not static. They move around. And when the peaks and the troughs meet up they cancel each other out.
Z: Why is that a problem?
J-D: Because it would happen so fast and so repetitively that no matter would come into being beyond the occasional sub-atomic particle – and then that would quickly return to energy again. And also… all the matter that now already DOES exist in the form of your body, your planet and your universe would simply dissipate into chaos and revert to zero-point quite quickly.
Z: Why?
J-D: Because if matter is ultimately composed of waves of energy… then what is keeping those waves from dissipating? Can you see it? If the sub-atomic particles which together make up your body are made of waves… why do those waves not simply ripple away as waves do? Or why do the peaks and the troughs not simply cancel each other out and cause the matter of your body to dissipate out of existence? Instead of this happening, why does the matter of your body appear to remain constant? What I am saying is that your scientists will come to understand the zero-point energy field such that it will be clear that all matter is essentially composed of complex inter-relations between fluctuations in that field. But they will be unable to understand why these fluctuations remain stable. “If it is all just energy fluctuations, why do they not fall into chaos?” will be the question. And it is apparent that they don’t. Your physical body is one such energy system. And it is apparent to you that you maintain a degree of physical integrity. Your body continues to exist in the expected form from moment to moment without falling into chaos. So this might seem incongruous and confusing. But the beauty of this is in the solution: As I have said before your theoretical physicists have already begun to talk in terms of consciousness. Well, consciousness is once again going to have to be invoked here. The one hypothesis that will resolve the problem and continue to make sense will be one which understands that the matter of your physical universe doesn’t fly apart because there are blueprints for everything in your reality in a higher dimension. Quite literally this will suggest that there must be a “someone” who is creating (or imagining) every single element of your reality and holding this image (or blueprint) in their creative mind.
Z: So you are suggesting that this blue-print that exists in a higher dimension acts as a mould into which you can pour these sub-atomic particles?
J-D: No, that would not be the best analogy. It will need some more explaining before I can get to a good analogy. The first thing you need to understand is that these waves do not in fact stand still. They flow endlessly onwards. So rather think of these blueprints as an impediment in a stream which causes an eddy in that stream. For example if you open a tap and watch the stream of water, and then put your finger in that stream, you can notice what happens to the stream after your finger. If you hold your finger still, there will be a “shape” to the flow of the water after your finger and that “shape” will remain fairly stable and constant. This is despite the fact that the material (the water) making up the shape is in constant flow. Do you follow this?
Z: Yes. That makes sense.
J-D: Well then let me apply that analogy. There are ripples in the zero-point energy field. These ripples cause sub-atomic particles to pop into your reality. At the most basic level a few simple blue-prints are created which cause these sub-atomic particles to flow around each other in an entwining dance which would seem to create the particles that compose the atom. Certain sub-atomic particles, when entwined in one way, may cause an electron to form. Others, when entwined another way may cause a proton to form. It all has to do with the way these subatomic particles are caused to interrelate.
Z: That is quite difficult for me to visualise.
J-D: Yes. I am explaining things for which you have almost no frame of reference. If this REALLY interests you then you should go read what your scientists are saying. I am simply using this to illustrate a philosophical point.
Z: Okay. Carry on please.
J-D: Thank you. The point is, even at this most basic level of reality there is an interaction between two God-like things. The one is the infinite energy field which has been called the Zero-point energy field. The other is consciousness, which creates the moulds that cause the energy to form stable patterns which creates the illusion of the matter of your universe.
Z: Ah. So you are saying that, over time, for those that are avidly watching scientific developments there will be evidence of God?
J-D: Yes, certainly it will make them ask some very interesting questions!
Z: Okay but now I am curious. What happens to the atoms that they eventually become people and planets and stars and stuff?
J-D: Ah. I am willing to attempt to address this with you but it is a very long and complex story to get through. Seeing as it is not necessary to THIS discussion as my point is already made I will simply say that there are ever more complex blue-prints. So the first blue-prints make atomic particles. The next set use the previous set to make atoms. Then molecules. Then more complex forms. Essentially I am saying that there are blue-prints, within blue-prints within blue-prints. The more basic a blue-print is the more often it is re-used in other more complex blue-prints. Your body is a mind-boggling interplay of an astoundingly large number of blue-prints of all kinds of levels of complexity. The final, highest level of the blue-print is held by your body-spirit. But that too is another conversation for another day.
Z: Okay. I’ll make a note to get to that. But for now I do see that you have made your point that an in-depth understanding of the matter which makes up our bodies and our reality is, as you say, an interaction between an infinite energy field and consciousness. Cool! What’s next?
J-D: Not so fast. I’m not quite done with this topic. There is another God-like understanding to be had out of all this.
Z: Okay, shoot.
J-D: Let’s go back to the analogy of the stream of water. Remember I said that the stream flows past the “blue-print” and that makes a pattern?
Z: Yes.
J-D: Well that means that the pattern is static but the material that MAKES the pattern is not.
Z: Yes. The water flows on.
J-D: Right. So what does it mean to you if I say that the “stream” of the zero-point energy field passes through you. It does not reside within you. The stream of ripples flows constantly into and out of your body. The only reason there is a body there at all, is because your body is the place where there is a confluence of all the blue-prints. The blue prints are steady, the energy itself is not.
Z: Okay that is an odd thought. But respectfully… so what?
J-D: Ha! So what? I‘ll tell you “so what”. It means that there is no separation between your body and anything else in the universe. Your body and every other person and thing in your whole universe are all THE SAME THING.
Z: Wow!
J-D: Yes! Let’s go back to the water analogy. If you held two different forms in the water stream, one below the other, and saw two different “shapes” of eddy in the water. You would see that the shapes are different but you would not think of them as different “things”, would you?
Z: No. It’s all just water, isn’t it?
J-D: Right. And so there is the third God-like thing that will cause the scientifically minded a spot of wonder: it will transpire that all things are one. Nothing that you can observe is separated from anything else. It’s all just different patterns in the same one thing. And that same one thing flows endlessly and continuously through everything.
Z: Wow. That’s actually quite beautiful.
J-D: As above, so below and as below, so above. You see, Zingdad? If you are willing to truly look you will see God in everything. But the Veil has made this quite difficult. And now the Veil is thinning and it becomes ever easier to truly see. I am saying it is now already possible to discern but in very short order there are going to be headlines coming from the scientific community which are going to point these sorts of things out:
All is ONE. Everything is completely and absolutely interconnected. The Oneness is infinite and unending. It is of infinite energy. EVERYTHING is of consciousness. Consciousness pervades all things everywhere. Consciousness is greater than, and pre-exists, matter.
Z: Wow! Those are some pretty God-like statements. Pretty mystical stuff.
J-D: Yes. And this is what is already starting to come from Science. I am saying this will increase dramatically soon.
Z: Okay so… just for clarity. Are you saying the Zero-point energy field is God?
J-D: I am saying it is an indivisible PART of God. And, as with all indivisible parts, it cannot but fail to have many of the attributes of God. That is why, if you study it and understand it, you will begin to discern those attributes.
Z: Ah. And who creates all the blue-prints you talked about?
J-D: Various creator beings working at various levels of creation. You and everyone with you here on earth are engaged in holding many combined blue-prints. You just don’t yet know it yet. But again, you and the creator beings of this reality are also indivisible parts of God.
Z: …and as with all indivisible parts we cannot fail to have some of the attributes of God, right?
J-D: Spot on! Is it not said that you are made in the image of God? What does that mean? That god has two arms and two legs and so on? No. That is to view the thing the wrong way round. It means that what God is can be seen reflected in what you are. You are consciousness. You are creators. You are infinite and immortal. You are ONE with everything else that is. And so on and so on.
Z: Sheesh! And this will come from Science?
J-D: No. Science will make it possible to see things this way, if you so choose. It will always also be possible to doubt and to try to see things another way.
Z: Okay. But would it not be better if we could just get to firm and incontrovertible PROOF that no-one can argue with?
J-D: Alright, you want to go there again. Let’s go back to what I was saying earlier about there not being “one truth”. I will touch on it again. It is something you MUST get used to if you wish to ascend your consciousness. There is no “one truth” about anything that will ever silence all other perspectives. Everything is created and, as such, is subject to re-creation or being created differently. So, as you go, you can see things in your reality that very much support a particular view – you can take this as evidence. And you can claim that view for yourself. You can say “it is so”. And then it is so… FOR YOU. You may say “it is my truth”. But someone else can be busy with something else and have a different view. Neither of you are more right than the other. I have said that the truth you hold is the scaffolding upon which you build your reality. And in fact your “reality” is really just a reflection you hold of how you REALLY view yourself. So I will state it like this: Your truth is that which you use to create yourself. I will repeat that because I think you should remember it:
“Your truth is the tool you use to create yourself.”
So, for example, if you are working on a truth that each person is separate from every other and everywhere is separation and division and it’s a dog-eat-dog world… then that “truth” will cause you to create your reality in a particular way. You’ll get lots of opportunity for conflict over resources and so on. And, because your reality is really just a mirror you hold up to show yourself what is going on inside you, it is all actually just inner-conflict that rages inside you. Which is fine, if that is what you choose for yourself. Everyone on earth has done this and it is a very instructive and valuable process.
HOWEVER.
I am telling you this: if you wish to ascend then you must be willing to see others who hold very different truths from your own as “another self”. Another being that is doing what they should be doing in their own way. Because, as you ascend, you will eventually come to hold the truth that “all is One”. But this is a like saying if you wish to be a human then you must come to hold the truth that you are a human. The ascension process IS the unification process.
Z: I didn’t know that. You are saying it is impossible to ascend my consciousness without attaining unity consciousness?
J-D: Okay. Now you want me to get technical. If I have to be specific then I must admit that it is possible for you to ascend your consciousness a little bit from where you are without recognising that all is One. But only a little bit. And doing it that way is the hard, painful route. I am Joy-Divine: I will never recommend such a route to you. And if you do it that way you will quite soon come to a boundary where you will not be able to ascend any further until you are ready to accept that “all is One”. So why not choose the path of joy from the beginning. I am offering a path to you for your consideration. I am here offering you the invitation to evaluate the truths I am presenting. If you like them and find they serve you then you will find a way to ascend your consciousness and it will occur with maximum joy and minimum pain. I will say this to you: You might be able to advance a little in this reality whilst clinging to ideas of separation but there is no way out of this reality without the recognition that “all is One”.
The truths you hold take you in a particular direction. I am saying IN MY TRUTH the most beautiful, joyous and loving path I can conceive of for you is the ascension path. And the most beautiful, joyous and loving way to travel that path is via the understanding that “all is One”. This is a theme that will keep developing as we talk. I will go into it in greater depth when we talk about ascension in that topic. Right now I simply want to try to grasp the prickly nettle which is to get to the understanding that there never will be proof of anything such that it absolutely cannot be doubted or denied. It MUST be possible for new thoughts to be had. This is how beings create for themselves whatever variation of a reality they wish to explore. So, to come full-circle, I am saying that your scientists will find themselves presented with all kinds of interesting data about your physical universe. There will be many possible theoretical hypotheses to explain this data. I am saying a model which includes consciousness and the Oneness of All will not only be possible but a will provide a highly satisfying hypothesis. It will make sense and the data will fit the model in a way that is simple and elegant. I am also saying that it will be possible to doubt that and to keep looking for other hypotheses. Some of these others will hold promise but, in order to make them work, the hypothesis will just keep requiring ever greater levels of complexity. Which is fine if you like complexity. The bottom line here is this: For those that are of a highly analytical mind. Those that are rigorously logical, rational and scientific by nature. Those that have chosen to say they are atheists because there is no evidence for God. I am saying now, for THOSE, there will be the opportunity to see God in the evidence. They will be able to follow the mathematical models and actually find evidence for a God which is One with All That Is.
Z: That’s fantastic. When will this happen?
J-D: It is busy happening. It is busy unfolding as we speak in the minds and laboratories of the scientists of your planet. Some of this has already been reported on in scientific circles. More will come. But please listen carefully: The point is that everyone will be able to CHOOSE. If you choose to be open to it you will find more and more evidence of a unifying God. But if you are wishing to play another round of the same old duality game you may reject this and choose not to see it as proof. Every one has free will. And if someone desires to keep their consciousness in duality they have every right to do so. If they will not see the light that is offered then it will not touch them. And that is okay.
Z: Are they then lost?
J-D: NO! No one and nothing is ever lost! I will talk more about this when we talk about ascension. Right now I will just say that All is already ONE. It always was, always has been and always will be. You, in duality, are aspects of The One that have chosen to forget this. This was not “wrong” of you, it was what you were meant to do. And now that many of you are choosing to remember that you are One it does not make the rest that are NOT choosing to remember “wrong” either. You were never lost in duality even if it felt like that to you. People that do not take advantage of the opportunity to remember now will also not be lost. They will just remember at some other time when they are ready. But really… I have much more to say but it will have to wait for the topic “What is Ascension?”
Z: Okay. So, I think I get it. A truth will be made available via science that there is a God who is One with All That Is. People can see it or not. There is no judgement either way. The difference is that seeing it will take you towards ascension. Not seeing it will allow you to continue in duality.
J-D: Yes. That is a good enough summary.
Z: But what about the non-scientific types? I mean there are very many people on earth that will not be touched by the rather rarefied theoretical constructs of Quantum Mechanics, right?
J-D: Correct. Way back in the beginning of this topic I said I was going to use the scientific/ rational/ atheist position as a vehicle to make my case. Next I am going to use the religious position. But that is enough for now. We’ll take a break here and pick it up again next time with the topic: “Religious Proof of Oneness”.
Z: That sounds like fun.
J-D: It will be. See you in the next chapter then…
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