Chapter 3. Joy-Divine - The Veil of Unknowing

Zingdad: I’m speaking again to Joy-Divine. J-D, you said in our last chat that we should talk about Oneness.

Joy-Divine: Hello. Yes. I want to more-or-less prove to you that All is One and then, when we’ve established that then I want to talk about what that means for you.

Z: Great. Why “more-or-less” prove it?

J-D: Well, let me first tell you about the reality you inhabit and then I shall get to my main arguments. Primarily your reality was created for the purpose of experiencing individuality. In order for this to be possible a consciousness-construct was set in place to sort-of “filter” the information that might be available to you. This has often being called “the veil” or more specifically “the Veil of Unknowing” and I am happy to keep using that term. What the Veil essentially does is to guarantee that you cannot prove that you are One. Anything that approaches true, irrefutable proof will always come with enough cause for doubt that each individual will simply have to make up their own mind.

Z: Okay. Doesn’t the veil also hide other knowing and info from us though?

J-D: No. All it does is hide from you your essential Oneness with All That Is. But you need to think about this for a moment. If All is truly ONE… if the most essential truth about everything is its inherent Oneness… and if the Veil hides the Oneness from you then I’m sure you can logically see that the Veil will hide the most essential nature of EVERYTHING from you. It will mean that you cannot know the deepest truth about anything at all. Because, as you approach the deepest truth of anything you’d approach proof that All is ONE. And the Veil forbids this. Do you see the circular nature of the problem? The essential nature of EVERYTHING is that it is all One with everything else. But this is hidden from you.

Z: So you mean we can’t know the true nature of anything?

J-D: It’s a fact. What is remarkable to me is how few people on earth are concerned about the fact that nothing is known down to it’s root. Nowhere can you look and say “we really understand this or that thing and can therefore build upon a solid foundation of knowledge”. You can know about the surface… about the characteristics or the effect but you cannot know about the true cause.

Z: Uh. I’m not sure that I know this to be true. Our science has surely gotten to the root of SOMETHING?

J-D: Alright. I’ll go there with you. What is your world, and all the animals and plants and so forth, made of?

Z: Matter.

J-D: What is matter made of?

Z: Um. Molecules. And they are made of atoms. And they are made of sub-atomic particles.

J-D: Good. Carry on. What are sub-atomic particles made of?

Z: Energy, I think?

J-D: And what is the nature of that energy? What is it made of? Where does it come from? Was it created? If so when and how? Other than simple observations about its behaviour you know next to nothing about it. So… by extension you know next to nothing about the matter you are made of and which you take so for granted. You label it “matter” as if that explains it. And then you discover there is no such thing as “matter”, there is only “energy” as if this new label explains anything. The point I am making is that you – and I include all your scientists here – do not know what you yourselves are ultimately made of. You do not know what it is or where it comes from or, really, anything about it other than a few observations of how it might behave under certain circumstances. And my contention is that you will never truly begin to comprehend the fundamental energy of the universe without understanding that it is consciousness and that all the energy and matter that springs forth from it is all one single thing.

Z: All matter is the same thing?

J-D: As above, so below and as below so above. Everything is ONE. This is mirrored everywhere you look if you only know how to look. But the problem for you is that you are restricted from being able to prove this by the Veil.

Z: Okay, that’s pretty interesting to me and I want to discuss this with you but before I do can you perhaps give me another example or two of things that we only know the surface of? Other than energy and matter, I mean.

J-D: Sure. I could give you countless examples. I could use the example of anything you could name to prove it to you. But some examples are more time-consuming than others to explain. So I shall choose a simple one: light. You know next to nothing about it. And yet it is actually the most fundamental element of your reality. You know how fast it goes… but not why. You know it has some highly curious properties – like that it seems to be both a particle and a wave. And so on. But you don’t understand much about it beyond that. And why, for example, is the speed of light the speed limit for other things? You can, if you try, describe these phenomena but you have very little clue as to how it comes to be as it is. Until you understand that light (or rather all electromagnetic radiation) is really just a function of the particular density or dimension at which you reside you will remain baffled by it. But you need to be willing to concede that your whole reality is just one little bit of the picture. You whole universe is like a single key on one piano keyboard. In an orchestra of an infinite number of musical instruments. And that all those instruments together are playing the same ONE symphony.

And here’s another example, another fundamental force of your reality: gravity. It is a constant force upon your body. Not a waking second goes by that you are not affected by it. But you haven’t a clue about how it works.

Z: Wait a minute? Isn’t it due to the warp in space time caused by mass or some such?

J-D: No. I didn’t say there were no THEORIES about this. There are plenty of those. But they all have some flaws in them and remain unproven. Go read up, if you like. Your science does not know where gravity comes from, why it is there or how it propagates. The theory that comes closest is a new one that presupposes the existence of other dimensions. But they will need to greatly expand their view of what those other dimensions might be before it will all begin to come together.

I’ll give you another example. More philosophical than scientific, maybe. It is this: what TRULY are YOU? I mean, think about this. What ARE you?

Z: Lets see… I am a human.

J-D: And if you had another incarnation as something other than you would currently define as a human? Would you cease to be you?

Z: No. Then I’d be a Zorg from the planet Zug. Or whatever. (laughs)  Okay I get your point. What am I REALLY? I mean I know I HAVE a body. But I am not the body. How about I use Descartes famous quote: “I think therefore I am”. And then I will say I am my thoughts. How about that?

J-D: That’s cute. But wrong. What happens if you stop thinking? Do you stop existing? For example… one of the goals of meditation is to cease all thought. What happens if you attain that goal? Do you pop out of existence?

Z: Hmm. No. I know that it is true for me and others that such moments bring with them the most amazing expansion of consciousness.

J-D: Ahh. That IS interesting then. We must explore this some more some other time… that the less you DO and TRY and THINK the more your consciousness expands. This is because DOing and BEing are opposite states. And the nature of your BEing is… consciousness.

Z: Ah. So then the answer to your question is… I am consciousness.

J-D: Yes. But then what is consciousness? I mean every single human being is it (or at the least HAS it) but can you explain it? Can you tell me where to find it?

Z: I’m not sure. Can it not be argued that it is in the brain?

J-D: Not very convincingly. Some have tried but there are always holes in the theory. For example: what happens when someone is declared “brain dead” and then by some miracle later they are resuscitated? How do you explain the fact that they sometimes recall events occurring in their consciousness at a time when the brain had ceased to function? And even more amazingly such experiencers often tell of events that didn’t even occur in the proximity of the body housing the apparently dead brain. And what of the fact that in various neurosurgical operations on various people, pretty much every part of the brain has been removed. This one loses eye-sight. That one certain emotional responses. And so on. But everyone retains their consciousness. Unless the body dies in which case they STILL have consciousness but, of course, you can usually no longer engage with them to determine this.

So, no; there are too many anomalies for consciousness to arise from the brain. The point is this: your most essential and fundamental attribute… your very consciousness… is something that you know nothing about at all. Why? My contention is that this is because it is the very stuff of the Oneness. But people just accept that they know nothing about themselves and go about paying the mortgage, watching sport and news on the television and arguing vociferously about religion and politics. Or whatever keeps them entertained enough that they don’t have to confront the fact that NOTHING is truly known. The miracle of the mystery should overwhelm you constantly. But it doesn’t. You declare life to be boring and mundane. “No miracles or mysteries in MY life”, you all say. But this is only because you mesmerise yourselves into not looking at ANYTHING deeply enough to see the unending mystery of EVERYTHING.

Now, I could go on and on with this because literally in every direction you look, you run into an edge which is fuzzy and undefined. Essentially what I am saying is that the simple directive of the Veil of Unknowing, that it should shield you from knowing the Oneness of All, has profound implications. It means you really know nothing about anything at all. And of course this effect doesn’t only extend to that which is only physically around you. It means you cannot beyond all doubt prove the existence of God. Which is quite a wild thought. The Prime Creator which is in everything and part of everything cannot be proven to even exist! I’ll tell you something: spirit beings that dwell in other realties and have not experienced this one directly find it nearly impossible to believe that this effect has been achieved over here. Often they come and have a look just to marvel. The deepest, most essential and most undeniable truth of all… has been hidden in plane sight! What a marvel and a miracle!

Z: Are you sure it isn’t possible to prove God’s existence? I vaguely recall reading some philosophical treatise which laid out a set of proofs. Are none of them valid?

J-D: Let me answer it like this. If just one of those proofs were infallible then there would not be any clear-thinking atheists or agnostics on the planet. You’d show them the proof, they’d fail to find the inconsistency and they’d have to concede there IS a God after all. So my point stands. Despite some concerted effort by some quite lucid spiritual thinkers over the ages of your history, not one person has ever been able to prove beyond a doubt the existence of God. Or even the existence of spirit. Which is bizarre. Every single one of you IS spirit and yet it is quite a reasonable and defensible position to claim there is no spirit! As I say: in every direction you look you will find a few steps of understanding and then it gets fuzzy and then there is darkness. And if you don’t know about the fundamentals you cannot REALLY claim to understand their effects. And THAT is all because you cannot know that you and everything else is ONE.

Z: Phew! That’s wild. So why would we do this to ourselves? Why would we choose to come here and be stupid for a number of lifetimes?

J-D: Oh no, not stupid. Just forgetful. This is a very large subject on its own and there are many ways this can be answered. Time will not now permit me to do this justice. It will have to suffice for me to say that each and every spirit being that decided to manifest an incarnation here had a reason to do so. There is profound value to be found in this experience. But your perspective is perforce very limited. You can only see things from where you stand INSIDE of your reality. But I shall state, in my truth, that for the beings that are your “Inner-Selves” this experience is one of the most valuable that can possibly be had. It is, for example, possible to gain great understanding of the Self and to find profound healing if one manifests an incarnation there.

Z: I know you didn’t want to dwell on this point but can you please explain briefly why?

J-D: Alright. Let me try a parable: Once there was a rich and powerful king of a vast kingdom. He was known to be quite wise and knowledgeable. One of his duties was to be the final judge and jury for all legal disputes in his land. But this was something he didn’t enjoy because he just didn’t understand what it was like to be a poor, desperate and starving peasant. He could not understand some of the peasant’s motivations and actions and felt, therefore, ill-equipped to pass judgement on them. But how would he come to truly understand the life of the peasant? His wizard had a suggestion. He would cast a spell on the king such that the king would forget absolutely everything he knew. Then they would dress the king in the clothes of a peasant and leave him somewhere with just a few coins. In a year’s time the spell would lift itself and the king would remember who he was. And so it was. The king, dressed as a poor man, was left under the influence of the spell at an inn. When he awoke he did not know who he was. Some locals took pity on him and helped him out for a day or two. But he didn’t seem to have any practical skills to repay them with. And he had a haughty attitude they did not like. So soon he was out on his own. Hungry and miserable. In his desperation he turned to theft. But he was caught and flung in jail.

Or was he?

Maybe instead he saw the kindness of the people to a stranger and decided to try to return their good favour? Maybe he found within himself the some resourcefulness or deeply buried understandings which were of use. And maybe he became a celebrated leader anyway.

How will we ever know what happened to him? This is after all a parable and we just can’t know, can we?

The point is… after being put under the spell of forgetfulness and placed in this strange world the king was bound to find out not just about the world he lived in… but he would find out who he REALLY is. Not who he is set up to be by what went before… no… who he essentially, really is.

If we extend this metaphor and allow the king as many lifetimes of forgetfulness as he would like before he awakens HIMSELF to who he really is because he discovers it as a result of discovering himself… then this would be a lot like what is happening to you on earth.

You have had your own forgetfulness spell and you journey in the world of forgetting until you are ready to remember. And you discover the most amazing things about yourself and life and All That Is by going through this experience.

Even though this is a very simplistic and somewhat flawed example, I’m sure you can see that there is value to be had from the Veil?

And something else to consider is that there is protection inherent in ignorance.

Z: There is?

J-D: Sure! The further up the dimensional ladder you move the more powerfully you can create. The more powerful a creator being you are, it stands to reason, the more powerfully you could potentially do harm. Let us hypothesise a very powerful creator being that has yet to deeply plumb its own nature. It has yet to find out what it is capable of and how it would react to various circumstances. But it has great power at its disposal. That would be like putting a baby in charge of the world’s munitions. So this does not happen. There are various ways in which this situation is resolved in various realities. But certainly one very powerful way is to allow such a being to go and test all its limits as an incarnated being in your reality behind the Veil. You see, if you do not know of your true power then you cannot express it! It is locked away from you. And that is a lovely fail-safe. Those abilities always derive from the Oneness. In other words you must know your Oneness with All before you discover your true greatest most magnificent nature. And, if you know that you are One with every other being you will not desire to harm any other. That is the same thing as harming yourself.

Now, these are just two little illustrative sketches. Please understand that this doesn’t even begin to represent all the perspectives of the value that can be obtained from going into this reality as you have. It is an amazing, wondrous system and to experience it is something beyond compare. And the heart of this system is the Veil of Unknowing. In fact, this might come as a surprise but another way to look at the Veil is that it is an agent of the Law of Free Will, or as our esteemed colleagues of the Ra Material called it, the Law of Confusion.

Z: How is that?

J-D: Well now we are going to have to get into other topics like your own creator nature. Which I don’t want to talk about right now. But the gist is this: if you do not and cannot know What Is then you have free choice as to what you might choose to believe. I mean seriously… you folks on earth have so many different religions, each one claiming for themselves absolute truth and damning all the others as out-right liars. And then each religion has so many schisms and sub-sects within it that one can never keep up with who really believes what. And that is just the organised religions. There are more and more people all the time that regard themselves as deeply spiritual but not religious. They look for their own truth in their heart. But each heart is different. So there are just more and more different “truths” all the time. And what of all the variations of agnostics and atheists? Every view slightly different! And if you take a minute to think about it… either everyone but you is cracked… or there really is a valid reason to believe almost anything under the sun.

And there is. It is this: if you combine the Veil with the fact that you create your own reality then we get to the understanding that, firstly, you do not know that you create your reality. And secondly, as you believe, so you shall conceive. Which is just a pretty way of saying that you will always find more and more evidence for the stuff you believe to be true. And because YOU find evidence you get re-affirmed in your belief. But because of the Veil you cannot prove that belief to anyone else. And since they too are just seeing more and more evidence for their beliefs… well… it becomes a recipe for disaster for the dogmatic. Anyone can see that there will be plenty of opportunity for conflict for anyone that wants to experience that! But that’s not the point I wish to really make here. The point I wish to make is that you have the free will option to believe whatever you want about your reality. And as you believe it so you’ll get evidence to prove yourself right to yourself. And no matter what anyone else says they will not be able to prove you wrong unless you are open to seeing things their way. It is nothing less than free will to believe anything you want. And to pretty much DO anything you want too. I mean there are human laws and societal norms which try to govern your activities but there are very few God-made laws that stop you from doing whatever you want.

Z: Whoa! What about… like holy scriptures and so on. What about “thou shalt not kill”.

J-D: No. No disrespect to those rules. They are good rules. But they are man-made. If God made the law “thou shalt not kill” then you would not be able to kill. Period. Either you would not be able to formulate the thought to kill someone else or it would be physically impossible. As it is in higher dimensional realms. Where I am it is totally and utterly impossible for a being to “cease to be”. There is no death. You can certainly say we have less free will than you.

Z: That’s amazing. But you can create more powerfully.

J-D: Yes. But we are constrained. I mean I can create very powerfully but I cannot create with the belief that I am not a part of the Oneness. Not unless I send a part of my consciousness to beyond the Veil. Which is exactly what I have done, of course.

Z: You have?

J-D: Yes. You are it, remember.

Z: Oh right! (laughs)

So you are saying we have a lot of free will over here. And that means we have very few God-made laws.

J-D: Yes.

Z: What about God’s law of gravity, for example? Or the law of the speed of light?

J-D: Those are not really laws. They are suggestions. You can beat gravity with a rocket. You can beat the speed of light with other slightly more advanced technology. If you believe in UFOs coming from other solar systems then you pretty much have to concede a belief in faster-than-light travel. I am saying, believe it or not, it is not just possible but, technologically, not that far off. The speed limit set by light can be beat and it is done so all the time by races a little more advanced than your own. These are not God’s laws. They are simply constructs of the mechanics of your reality.

Z: So do we have any laws then?

J-D: Yes. How do you like this one: “thou shalt do as thou pleaseth and see if thou liketh the consequences-eth”.

Z: (laughs) No, seriously?

J-D: Actually I am serious. That is my humorous way of phrasing the law of free will. You can do whatever you want and believe whatever you want. Then you get to see if you like the results of your actions and beliefs. There are other laws which you’ll get to in another conversation but right now I rather want to stay on topic, if that’s okay.

Z: Oh sure. But before we go on, please just remind me why the Law of Free Will is also called the Law of Confusion?

J-D: Ah. That will lead us nicely back to the main subject. You’ll remember the Ra Material was channelled material, right?

Z: Right.

J-D: So lets see how the Veil, or the Law of Free Will, pertains to channelled messages. Firstly. Anyone reading any channelled words (including these of course) CAN doubt that there is a spirit being speaking through the channeller, can they not? I mean there is nothing in such channelled words that cannot be dreamed up by a sufficiently creative imagination with a little thinking and a little effort, right?

Z: Yeah, I guess. I mean for years after I first started to channel even I doubted what I was experiencing. I thought maybe I was engaged in some grand self-delusion. But I now have enough evidence that I am sure it is what it seems to be.

J-D: Is it not possible for you to doubt?

Z: Oh, of course it’s possible. I mean I have masses of circumstantial evidence and synchronicities and what-not. But not one of those is incontrovertible proof.

J-D: Right. But if I am who I say I am, and if you really are channelling me, do you not think it would be the simplest thing for me to give you absolute proof? For example: what if you and a friend got together and he wrote down a long string of random numbers on a piece of paper and then hid it in a box. I can very easily know what those numbers are and then simply pass them to you via a channelling. Repeat this exercise on international television and that would be the end of all doubt. Right?

Z: Yes, right! But we can’t do that, can we?

J-D: Not without violating the Veil of Unknowing. And not without taking away from everyone on the planet their free-will right to doubt, and more importantly, their free-will right to create their own reality as they see fit. I mean, if you can prove that you are channelling me and I can prove I have all kinds of amazing knowledge, then people would be silly not to stop searching for and creating their own truth. They’d just come to you and I for the truth. And that would negate the entire point of this whole reality you are living in.

Z: That’s a really good explanation. I never thought of it like that. Thank you. But… you still didn’t explain the Law of Confusion.

J-D: Glad you are paying attention. I was just getting there. I am saying that the various spirit beings that might speak to earth people cannot take liberties with the Veil. We cannot give you direct information about anything which would conflict with the Veil and the law of Free Will. But you folks are desperate for both proof of the channelling phenomenon and all kinds of personal advice and guidance which, were it given, would be in contravention of the Veil. So the spirit being that is being channelled has some options. I take the approach of simply not discussing topics that would breach the Veil. You will notice that, in the past, when people have asked you to do personal “readings” or to get into facts and details of their own stories, beings like Adamu and I have chosen to rather talk about the “spiritual concept” or the underlying philosophy rather than go into those personal details. It is sometimes possible to talk about very personal and specific issues where the individual has already done the work but as a rule it is preferable to avoid these.

There are other beings that take a different approach. For reasons of their own sometimes the spirit being and the channeller might decide they want to get into as much detail as possible.

One such case unfortunately occurs with channellers who desire to use this facility for personal gain or ego enhancement and, as such, become eager to prove that they are the “real deal”. You are advised to use your utmost discretion when dealing with such ones. Their approach will be one of “Only I know the truth, not you and not anyone else.” This is a potentially harmful stance to all concerned. It creates dependencies. Unfortunately that is often what such beings desire. They have not understood how this is harmful to their audience AND to themselves. But, be that as it may, in order to gain the credibility which they desire to support their contention that they are the only source of truth they will often seek to make claims about the accuracy of their predictions and so forth. They will seek to gain information via their channelings which, due to the Veil, is simply not possible. If you were to do the research and see exactly what their track record really is (as apposed to what they claim it to be) you will find they often have a hit-rate which is no better than average probability. In other words they could have done equally well with random educated guesses. You see the Veil WILL NOT simply be breached. Certainly not like this in the name of pure self interest.

The same effect, unfortunately, also applies to channellers who are genuinely and earnestly trying to work out their doubts. First they begin to channel and it seems good to them. But then fear creeps in and they doubt. They wonder if maybe the whole thing is a huge self-deception.

Z: That’s exactly where I was until quite recently.

J-D: Right. And what happened to you is what will happen to everyone in these circumstances. In an attempt to put your doubts to rest you demand proof. Solid, verifiable, incontrovertible PROOF. In such instances you risk finding more reason to doubt. You might invite interaction with a spirit being of relatively low vibration. Such a being may lead you on a merry dance but you will not get proof. If, on the other hand, you remain fixed on the idea of speaking to a being of higher vibration then you will gently be coached to release your demand for proof and to rather learn to create the outcome you desire. The other option is that your own psyche might, as a result of your desire for proof, insert distortions into the material you are receiving.

Z: Why?

J-D: Because demanding proof of the truth from an agency outside of yourself is actually a kind of spiritual neuroses. There IS NO proof outside of yourself. Because your truth is within you. If you encounter “the truth” it is only “the truth” because your own inner knowingness approves of it. Otherwise it is just another story. As long as you are demanding that another being must create your truth for you, you are distorting your lens. And as long as you are full of fear and self-doubt such that you do not trust yourself to formulate your own truth and find your own path and create your own reality then your lens is dirty and your perceptions will be clouded.

So a rather interesting irony is set up:

Those that seek provable verifiable facts from their channelings will often end up getting messages which are, for one reason or another, quite obviously doubtable or outright wrong.

Those that seek to show that they are the legitimate source of all truth will often end up proving evidence that they are frauds.

Those that come from a position of doubt will find more reason to doubt.

And all this is a wonderful illustration of how the Law of Confusion applies to channelled messages. And it gives you some insight into how it might apply more generally. Essentially, if Free Will is to be observed, then your right to doubt cannot be taken away. Your right to see it another way cannot be taken away. Your right to create it differently cannot be taken away. Your right to make another choice cannot be taken away. There must always be a space for a little chaos and a little confusion.

If you look at it correctly then this is a wonderful and beautiful thing. This means you always have options. You always have freedom. You can always express your will. Creativity can come into play in every situation. Miracles can happen. Magic can happen. Wonderment and delight can happen. You can get something other than the expected.

And this is essential. If everything was fixed and ordered and contained then there would be no point in trying to do anything: the outcome would be assured and there would be no challenge, no learning and no growth. Progression and life would cease.

So I would encourage you to embrace the mystery rather than despise it. It is a wondrous thing that nothing is ever absolutely certain and fixed and ordered and dead. Everything is always alive and changing and in flux and brimming with surprise and mystery.

But to come back to the point I was making… perhaps now you can see that endeavouring to concretize things… endeavouring to find proof for our words and demanding that they must be eternally TRUE is counterproductive.

Z: Wow. Yes. So I guess I should finally give up on seeking proof, huh?

J-D: I would say anyone that wants to find proof is, by their desire, actually affirming that they doubt. That they believe it NOT to be the case. If, as I contend, you are the creator of your reality, then that sponsoring thought will result in evidence cropping up that is congruent with it. So not only does this illustrate the Law of Confusion… it also illustrates that you are the creator of your reality (which is another law). But… as I say… more about that later. We have wondered quite far on this topic already.

If I may return the train of thought to its tracks then I have made the contention that there is a consciousness construct called the Veil of Unknowing which is very much in evidence in your experiences (but of course it works so well that you can indeed doubt that it too exists, if you like). The implications of this Veil are that the one most fundamental truth of all creation, that All is One, cannot now be proven beyond a doubt.

Z: But that means that all this stuff you have told me is just one possible perspective like any other? That all perspectives are equally valid?

J-D: Yes. Exactly. Never stand in judgement of another’s beliefs or perspectives. Never assume yours are more valid than theirs. But what you can AND SHOULD do, is strive to refine or adjust your perspectives and beliefs so that they optimally serve you. In my conversations with you I am going to provide you with understandings and perspectives that you can choose to adopt or discard. My invitation to you and your readers is to have a good look at these perspectives and see if they might not be of value to you. What I will offer will be a version of the truth that has great validity, in my opinion. And most importantly they are perspectives that will serve the beings that hold them very well. They are about the understandings which bring towards the Oneness. They bring you towards self-love and inner peace. The are my contribution to the ascension process that is now going on in this system.

What I am saying is that all perspectives are equally valid. Some will serve you for a while and then no longer be of value as you and your circumstances change. Some will cause you pain and will eventually force you to release them. Others will serve you for a great deal of time. I propose to offer you the latter type. But I do not insist that you must accept what I offer. If you do not find resonance in any part, or indeed all of my words, then I urge you to trust you heart over the words you find here. In fact you should ALWAYS trust your heart and your intuition above all else.

Z: Got it. Thanks. But now I am confused. You said you were going to prove Oneness. But then all you did was tell me that it can’t be done because of the Veil. What gives?

J-D: I actually said MORE-OR-LESS prove, remember? And you asked me why “more-or-less”. And that was my answer.

Z: Ah. Correct. So are we still getting our more-or-less proof?

J-D: Yes, you are. But this is a good spot for us to take a break. Please call this conversation “The Veil of Unknowing”. It is the first part of the topic “what is Oneness. We’ll continue from here in the next session.

Z: Okay awesome. So in the next session…?

J-D: In the next session we can move on from the understanding that there is a Veil in place which makes direct proof impossible. I will however make some good arguments to show that “all is One”. Readers can each decide for themselves how close this comes to constituting proof. As usual I will not attempt to transgress the Veil.

Z: Ah. Okay. So then we’ll leave it there for now?

J-D: Yes. Before I go I would like to say this to the reader: if you have been following my reasoning then you will now understand when I say that I do not expect you to believe anything I present to you. I would say that it is essential that you develop your own intuition and your own “truth” and that you trust that. By all means read channelings and other spiritual material. But please: accept it only if it feels right and good to you. If your heart says “yes”. Because despite what anyone wants to tell you – there is no proof that any spiritual message is any more true than another. So find your truth in your heart. If you like what you read here then please stay with me. Read what is passed through Zingdad from me and my associates. Allow the information passed on to you to develop. I will be delivering to you MY perspective. It is delivered with the sole intention that you should empower yourself, find yourself and remember who you REALLY are. I very much hope what you read here will be of use to you. But if it does not resonate for you then you should let it go. If this is not for you then you are not “wrong”! Your truth is simply taking you in a different direction to mine. But either way: whoever you are and whatever you believe: I love you. I would wish for you that you come to find the most magnificent version of self that you can imagine. But I will not impose my wishes and my will where it might not be welcome. So I will simply send you love from me, Joy-Divine.